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Cathy M's avatar

I am a friend of a child of a man who transitioned. There is no support for these children, everyone tells them they have to accept it and even be happy. She looks back at time with her dad on his custody days, the parties with cross dressing men, drinking and drugs going on around her, all wrong. It took her many years to look back and realise what he did and that all she wanted was her dad back, he died, but returned as a Troon

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kai1's avatar
Mar 1Edited

Yay! Iowa revoked "transgender civil rights protections" (aka trans privilege, erasure of women's and girls spaces and sports) today.

Ooo, "a metastasized tumor of awfulness", that's good!

So often when I hear about these men, that should not be anywhere near children, their own or anyone else's, the torch scene from the 1910 Frankenstein movie comes to mind. The torch bearing villagers storming the Frankenstein castle to rid them of the abomination, Frankenstein who threw a girl into a pond and she drowned as a result. I'm not suggesting torches and killing, but some form of banishment from society of these men is warranted.

Lime Soda Films on YT released a concise piece today, the story of a woman who lost her husband to troonery, and how the legal system impacts women and children in her position negatively. Worth watching, should be sent to legislators, judges, and DV programs.

"Does he want my womb? Will he be satisfied then?" - Story of Julietta

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_FbgDOA0Gc&t=19s

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Lida H's avatar

I saw on X today that Vaishnavi Sundar has some freaky dude stalking her. What he's been putting her through sounds utterly vile.

I have to wonder if it's not some aeriated laydee tbh.

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dragonfox2.0's avatar

It's just the way men are. It's never enough. They will end us all

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DonnaLisa's avatar

why be a mother when you can't protect your child from an abusive ejaculator??? The child will remember and resent that!

But then again, these kind of parents will be abandoned eventually

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no one's avatar

Because she views her husband's approval as more important

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Thistles's avatar

This was certainly true for my mom. I stopped talking to my dad at 16, and eventually stopped talking to my mom because she wouldn’t stand up to him. It took 10 years to repair my relationship with her. I still don’t talk to my dad.

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Sharon555's avatar

My daughter seems to have stopped talking to me because I DID stand up to her shitbag permanently absent father (who abandoned us both when she was 2 weeks old, and was enraged that I had to go on public assistance!). which to me seems to indicate such daughter inherited more than half her dna-but also abandoning characteristics-from him!

My point being--that, as a parent--you are often damned if you do and damned if you don't!!

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Feather Duster's avatar

I am so sorry for what pain I know you're in over your daughter. I have a very similar story of raising my daughter alone, abusive absent dad, and I have started writing it a few times, but it turns into a tear stained journal entry every time. It's been a razor's edge for me to navigate my adult/adult relationship with my daughter. Estrangement is a blood curdling fear--it become one since I have one dear friend who is in that situation and has been from the time her daughter, whom she raised, was 16 until today, she is about 35, married, mother of 1, lives 25 minutes away from her since ‘returning’ from 2000 miles away when she was in deep trouble and needed her Mom. Not her Dad, whom she chose over her mom to share all the milestones in her life SINCE her Mom saved her: college grad’n, wedding, arrival of baby. She did contact her mom after the baby was 1, had a humiliating visit for the baby’s 1st birthday where the ‘other mom’ said things that indicated that she’d been there for everything, baby shower, birth, first steps. Back to no contact. It's awful. Parental alienation fostered by the father. It's so incredibly cruel. She's always taken care of other single mothers' children for them... she got up at 5 am every school day for YEARS taking one girl to school as her mother left for work before that... and doing homework with her til Mom came home... always been the ideal and perfect aunty. But her daughter, who is her doppelganger, too: they're both model thin and pretty and the mother was a model like her mother before her, in her late teens and 20s--just won't, or can't, open the door to the mother who made the classroom cupcakes and all the things you do, who is already 70 years old and with no other living relatives, lonely, so alone, so longing for reconnection. And she just keeps forcing herself forward, constantly creating beautiful arts and crafts, real fine art, and classy, gemstone jewelry--all made while she’s thinking of her beautiful daughter and how would she like this? I have to coach myself through many convos with MY daughter today (she does call often, and has visited NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!). My feelings get hurt easily, I am jealous of her mother in law (who has been wonderful to her and of course I'm glad and grateful, but, insecure as an old pair of shoes), and, I feel useless, and still can't afford things, like nice gifts and things. I feel a sting of how happy she is with the kind of special gifts her MIL gets her, thoughtful things--it feels like she knows my daughter better than I do now, and 'family' get-togethers with HIS family, while I'm in BFE, feels like, 500 miles away. Neither of us live in the town I raised her in (Ventura, CA), so we don't even have a 'home base' feeling. When your whole life was about raising this baby girl, and you remember the days when she was a little 10 year old, saying, "Mom, you are always going to live with me, even when I get married," and you couldn't HELP but really hope that would happen, because no one brings such sunshine into your life as your daughter... sigh... and now, I am that old pair of shoes, holey, scuffed and unwearable. :- ) Sometimes, the only thing that shakes me out of morose thoughts on this particular subject: missing my daughter, is that my 'job' is not done. I've still got to be a role model of survival to her--life is long and some bad things happen, you've got to be able to handle what life surprises you with, including, being bummed out even for understandable reasons. Frankly, this issue and all of the other things in life we must deal with--I do not have time for the troons who are gouging out the simple joys of being a girl who grows up to be a woman by dint of her body. Girls now have to divide their focus of growing up women and what that means for them, with this synthetic apparition of troons threatening suicide if girls don't give way to them. The absurdity is only outmatched by the fiendishness of them. FIEND is the best word I can ascribe to them. Every single of them. Put them in Chanel and sophistication or RuPaul feather boas: they're like cockroaches: one is reason to call the fumigator: fiends, every one. The worst people in the world for women is troon men, all cross dressers, fakes, liars, pretenders--every single one of them negates anything good they could offer the world by being a sex clown. Loathesome, fiendish men: males, dudes, guys, boys, bros, the actual and true 2nd sex. They’re not even acting on their OWN behalf! They’re marching to the tune of incel nerds whose machinations met up with technology at the same unfortunate moment in history! Fighting against them and the real monsters holding their marionette strings is the most important action I can take towards my own, and her, survival. Thank you, Sharon, for telling a bit of your story with me, as you can see, it touched a nerve and I've rewritten this for an hour or more, tears fell. (((Sharon))) remember these parenthesis cyber hugs? :- )

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Sharon555's avatar

Oh,Feather, thank you so much!! I sure needed a hug! ( (And So I'm going to send some hugs right back to you! :D) ) It's been 8 solid years since I saw or heard from my daughter. Soon, she'll be 43, but never married, dropped out of college, doesn't want to participate in life. I don't blame her, anymore, for neither do I!! Seriously, she was an "anti-natalist", pissed off that I'd given birth to her, and won't bring any children into this world. And though I tend to agree--Now--due to the troon issue and the effects its having on women's lives. Though I cannot regret having had her, and her three younger (half) brothers, two of which are also alienated from me, including my baby, my "best buddy" who became the sweetest part of my lonely divorced life, trying to raise three boys whose father turned out to have one of the most severe personality disorders known-psychopathy and narcissistic perrsonality disorders both. It took me 20 years to recover from PTSD, from his abuse, and his training of his children to follow in his footsteps, blindsiding me when the two younger boys went to college five years ago (all in separate countries) and I never heard from them again (my eldest, who has been studing at Uppsala University, then got his Swedish citizenship, as he never wants to return to this country). So my only contact is with my oldest son, and he doesn't know why his brothers and sister are doing what they are doing). So it's really hard. I don't live in Sweden! In fact, All but my youngest were brn and raised within spitting distance from you--in Santa Barbara!!

But I know one thing...the pain recedes or lessens over time. We must find ways to continue and find things that make us laugh: I find karen makes me laugh frequently! I can laugh at the troons too! As well as the rage I feel at them. I can turn my rage at my children's actions into energy to get things done. I've already done the interior work of reflection to try to understand WHY, but there is no answer. I wasn't accused of hurting them, and in my heart I know I was really the best possible mother I could have been under the circumstances. I loved them so much, and every day with them was a blessing. I knew it then, and I know it now, and my oldest son knows it too. Someday maybe the others will too! Mine and yours and your friend's. It must be so.

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Thistles's avatar

It’s pretty common for kids to take the side of the abuser. It’s counterintuitive, but the kids instinctively want to side with the stronger parent and mollify the threat without even realizing it.

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Sharon555's avatar

Yes, that's absolutely true! It is counterintuitive, but really does make sense. From a child's perspective: No one likes to become a victim of a bully, no matter how much you hate seeing someone you love get hurt; you don't want that bully to turn his anger upon YOU! Especially if you're dependant on him. After awhile, you get angry with the person who's getting abused, for surely SOMETHING they do makes the bully angry, and they should just STOP it! (Of course there isn't anything to stop, but the bully makes up things that sound real.)

Especially this happens after divorce when usually one parent (often dad) has more money than the other. The kid's love gets purchased.

By the time the child is old enough to consider his/her actions, and change his or her mind, so much time has past, or hard feelings, that even though the kid knows better, guilt is established, and the kid can't/won't face the lost parent.

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Kerry A's avatar

Yep,she's an idiot for referring to him as a woman.He is not and never will be her 'ex wife'.

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Lida H's avatar

No, he won't. I suppose though that anyone who wants to get advice via Reddit has to play the troon pronoun game.

Same thing no doubt applies to most, if not all, other "Agony Aunt" columns/websites too, unfortunately. I'm hoping that the culture surrounding this is going to start shifting soon, but the actions of certain Dem run states over the past few weeks don't exactly fill one with optimism.

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Kerry A's avatar

They're not going to take getting back to reality lying down.

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Lida H's avatar

No, they really won't…

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dragonfox2.0's avatar

It's all about the dique

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kai1's avatar
Mar 1Edited

Astoundingly, even for the rare ones who get the peen chop, they still manage to make it about the dick.

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Frances Bucher's avatar

Always, wherever they go, whatever they do 🤢

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dragonfox2.0's avatar

Patriarchy is a cancer

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Sharon555's avatar

You said it! Every single time women get a little bit ahead, patriarchy rears its ugly head. Troonery is patriarchy and misogyny made digustingly visible.

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dragonfox2.0's avatar

This time it's not going to work

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Lida H's avatar

Any woman that guy's age who chose to dress like him would never hear the end of comments about "Mutton dressed as lamb", etc, etc, to use the most polite yet relevant turn of phrase I can think of.

If it were the child's mother dressing that way, someone would probably call Children's Services on her too! You can't tell me that these guys aren't insanely privileged at the moment.

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Amanda Grimes's avatar

The fetish dress sense in always obvious in the Transvestite and AGP lot. I'm always shocked people don't see it for what it is! They start making excuses for them like this woman does. "All the years he was repressed" bullshit!

And while I'm on the subject of Tranny dress sense. Even the gay trannies on YT seem to have this obsession with tiny little strappy (or strapless) tops and dresses. All well and good if you live in LA or Florida but half this lot are in the UK in December! It's minus 5C outside FFS.

Also could somebody tell me if Americans have very short arms? Or do American garment manufacturers model tops on an Orangutan? When they do wear a top with sleeves (always off the shoulder whether it was designed that way or not!) their hands never seem to extend past the end of their sleeves! Maybe that what the ridiculously long plastic fake nails are for?

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Lida H's avatar

Are you referring to YouTubers like Alexis Blake? Yeah, Alexis does seem to wear a great many strappy and strapless tops, the UK winter notwithstanding.

IDK about you but I can't stand ultra long fake nails on anyone. They tend to give me the ick for some reason.

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Emmoji's avatar

Whenever I see those ultra long fake nails, i wonder "how do you wipe your ass when you shit?" I don't think our arms are any longer or shorter than anyone else's (relative to our heights of course), but American long sleeve shirts often have too long arms and not long enough torso, and pants are ridiculously long as well. I would fit a 31" inseam if it existed, but it's easier to find 34" women's pants than 28" (despite the fact that I'm taller than about 65% of the women I know and most of the short ones would probably need the 28")

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Lida H's avatar

OMG! I always wonder exactly the same thing whenever I see that kind of nails too! 😂

Isn't that the entire reason they became a status symbol in the first place? To demonstrate that a woman is far too well off to engage in such lowly activities as housework etc? IDK, but I personally find it difficult to even keep nail varnish on my short nails for any length of time.

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Amanda Grimes's avatar

It's not just Alexis The likes of that TRA loon Katy Montgomerie and many more and it's not just the UK there those in Canada and places like Colorado when there's three feet of snow on the ground and they're dressed in a sequined boob tube! I know they're doing this shit for clicks but I don't know a single woman and have never known one who gets up in a morning and spends two hours slapping on that much makeup and fannying about with their hair before stepping out the door to go to work.

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Lida H's avatar

No, you're quite right…

You know, I'd almost forgotten about Monty’s existence altogether - I'll try not to hold you reminding me about him against you! 😉

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Amanda Grimes's avatar

😂. Sorry. The only reason I know of Monty's existence is because I subscribe to Maria MacLauglan's channel.

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Lida H's avatar

He's a menace on Twitter - so friggin hateful towards women. He was one of a tiny handful of accounts I had blocked, back when one could still do that.

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dragonfox2.0's avatar

🥇

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Susan Hope Mason's avatar

There are no moral nuances when it comes to this issue. It is a black and white issue with no grey areas. This wife is almost there, but her sense of morality is not quite strong enough, or she wouldn't be questioning whether she is on the wrong or right side. Even with low self-esteem, she should still know that trans ideology is morally corrupt on every level, and she would never even consider being "nice" by calling him Laura, or referring to him as she or her. Some issues are more nuanced when it comes to morality, but this issue is not one of them. She can even see the harm that his behavior is causing her son, and harm is how you determine right from wrong. Yet she is still questioning. True morality has nothing to do with what the bible says. There are many harmless prohibitions in the bible, and many harmful things that are supposedly A-OKAY. So a truly moral person can't place his or her moral code strictly on biblical guidance. Most, if not all of these degenerates refuse to see the harm they are doing to others, and simply don't care. Instead, they claim that they are being harmed by their actual victims.

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Tumblebug's avatar

Hope that wasn't Sierra calling you again. 😳 She's creepy.

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Amanda Grimes's avatar

I'm going to take a guess this poor woman is living in some Democrat run hell hole like California by the reaction she got from those strangers. I'd get the troon in court and at ten years old the son is old enough for the court to take note of his wishes, not to have contact with cross dressed dad.

You just know this woman spent her entire marriage to this self obsessed loon being brow beaten and put down. She has probably had the fight ground out of her.

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Lida H's avatar

The people denigrating this woman have almost certainly never had to deal with a personality disordered, trenchant and narcissistic man determined to get his entitled freak on to the detriment of his entire family before.

They would have no idea. None.

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Amanda Grimes's avatar

Can you imagine the condemnation a woman would get from these other women if she started showing up dressed like a $10 hooker to pick her child up from school? Ooh but because he says he's trans everyone has to support him and feel sorry for him.

The world has gone crazy

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Lida H's avatar

100%! It's surreal.

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Kerry Burrell's avatar

"Fairy Terfmother" that's great Karen.

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Lady Studio's avatar

I can't be around women like this who gaslight me with calling their husbands "women." Come back when you've accepted reality.

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Feather Duster's avatar

It's terrible for so many children whose fathers abandoned them for whatever "reason", like this guy, nearly the worst reason imaginable. If it were me, I'd move to another city/state/country so my son could have a partially normal high school experience. I did not read this book, but I read her other feminist books which are smart and sensitive to men. Susan Faludi, who wrote Backlash, the Undeclared War Against American/British Women (depending on where sold), and Stiffed, The Source of Male Rage, also wrote a book about her relationship with her father, about his nutty problem (my words) who was/is an agp. She survived it with such grace as she was a Pulitzer Prize-winning Wall Street Journalist before she wrote the bestselling Backlash (Highly recommend, 1990, the last great REAL 2nd Wave feminist--my era). Maybe there is some healing these children of troons could gain from reading her story, it's bound to be good to know that one can grow up through it, heal from it, forgive (pretty sure that's what she did, and, that he was hopelessly perverted beyond anyone's ability to understand and empathize with at all--so it was probably the 'scissors forgiveness', i.e., I forgive him and will never set eyes on him again, cut out of one's life), so don't expect a family reunion.

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Sharon555's avatar

My era too, I remember reading those books half my life ago. But they are excellent.

I also have a number of people I ended up forgiving, not for troonery but cold, hard domestic violence, misogyny and downright, Christian & Bible-based hatred of females, which is a rotten thing for a father to have.

In any event forgiveness, when the wrongdoer hasn't asked for it, is done to help one's own self. Because hatred also only harms us, not the hated person.

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Kerry A's avatar

I've never seen one of these men dressed in anything that a woman in her right mind would wear.

Everything is tiny,sequinned,slashed to the hip and designed to expose as much hairy man flesh as possible.

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Lida H's avatar

Also: that poor, poor woman! Being dragged through the Family Court by her lying POS ex-husband.

His trajectory into it was crazy - a bit like "ROGD" for grown men.

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Amanda Grimes's avatar

No such thing as adult RODG in men, These clowns have been doing this in secret for years. Only coming out once the porn obsession takes over their lives.

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Lida H's avatar

No, I know! The man in question has obviously lied about many things over the course of his relationship with the woman in the newest film on Sundar’s YT channel.

He's also the type of crossdressing guy who openly admits to not feeling any anxiety over his natural body. Well, until he was fighting his ex over custody of their little boy through the courts, anyway. 🙄

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