What special accommodations do these people need? Trans isn’t a disability, it’s a porn-soaked, misogynistic, anti-social subculture. Stop treating these glorified fetishists like anything they have to say is reasonable or respectable.
"Maximal accomodation" means men that claim to be women can have sex with infants without any punishment. That is the end goal, that these men can do whatever they like to women and children without consequences. Joyce knows that process has started, with men that claim to be women now allowed to watch women and girls change in certain places, and to expose themselves in front of them. Really sick of these people who are supposedly standing up for women and children standing up for twisted, fetish addled, misogynistic men. You aren't doing the former if you are doing the latter.
This is such a bad take by Helen Joyce, I find it very alarming. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, thinking, perhaps she doesn’t know that in the US religion is afforded special protections. But British law Equality Act 2010, recognizes protected beliefs. So either way she knows that treating gender ideology as religion means it would be validated by the state as a belief worthy of respect and accommodation. That’s unacceptable.
In reality, all that society owes to people with insane beliefs about material reality is freedom of speech. That’s it.
Yeah I think that’s Helen Joyce’s point. I don’t think she’s paying any respect to the ideology by calling it a religion, she’s drawing attention to the fact that the ideology is based on magical thinking, and that these delusions have been systemised in order to proliferate, like religions do.
What a great insight, Karen: reframing transgenderism as a belief distances it from material reality of daily life and makes it seem less significant. Absolutely.
Where is this original post from, is it from a book or something, is it old? Just cause anything Ive seen her saying recently really doesn't sound like this at all. As far as I know she was originally more accommodating a few years ago but anything Ive seen recently its the opposite, she refuses to use pronouns now from what Ive seen her say.
It’s from a podcast interview released a few days ago, The Good Fight with Yascha Mount.
Helen sounds like she’s been spending too much time with Helen Pluckrose and podcast bros, they love to opine about “liberalism” which to them means deviant men have the liberty to do whatever they want.
Yeah I'm listening and just got to the bit the videio is about and it's really out of context, you really need to listen to a lot more of the conversation before and after that part cause it really doesn't seem to mean what you think it means.
You really need to hear the whole conversation around this for context, mostly in the last half hour of the podcast but this very tiny section out of a much bigger conversation is missing a lot!
this is what I suspected. thanks for checking it out. you can think of genderism as a religion in a certain context, that being as a delusional belief system that requires adherence and belief. yes?
No, it's not a religion. It's a corporate and political agenda, that's part of a much wider and larger corporate and political agenda, that uses a false, threat-containing narrative and made-up words to terrorize everyone and take over society without an actual war of traditional weapons. It's psychological warfare. The simple narrative says "Comply or be accused of murder which amounts to your life being destroyed." And then when that threat doesn't work on someone, the "problem" individual is libeled and defamed and threatened with further threats. Everyone sees what happens to those people, and it serves to further enforce their silence / compliance.
Here's Helen Joyce arguing with herself about be nice argument she held last year when she went off on women who were "policing language". She is very well aware of the reality, but chooses to be an asshole for pay when needed. @karen listen to this.
You do understand that peoples views change over time don't you? There are a lot of people now finally realising what's been going on who were previously supportive of "trans ideology" who have done a complete 180.
Everybodys path to realising things is different. Are you just gonna penalise everybody who didn't agree with you 1, 2, 3+ years ago? We all had to get here somehow!
There are women who didn't come to this now or last year or 3 years ago but 10, 15, 30 years ago. Do you know when Janice Raymond wrote the book The Transsexual empire? It was in 1979.
All you're ranting over here at me is that you don't know the facts about this fight. Also you are somehow butthurt by my comments about Helen not you.
I can and will comment on anything and will laugh to your face if you try to patronize me and start correctting my way of thinking.
Here's me laughing at your parenting in comments: hahahahaha! Dumbass, I am not your friend or even in your social circles. Gtfo!
If I could debate Helen Joyce, I would say, "You said, "Thinking about it as a religion is the best way to think about it." And I totally agree.
Then I would ask her what religion on Earth is Not an ideaology. And why do Western democracies not recognize religious ideologies as being able to have legislative power? Because they are Democracies, not Theocracies.
The U.S. Constitution makes it very clear, in the First Amendment, that the Congress shall make no law respecting the establishement of religion. And what is any given religion, except an ideaology? And what is "transgenderism" but an idealogy?
Maybe it's because she's European that she just doesn't get it. But then, I don't buy it.
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion." 👈🏾
America did not abide by the aforementioned First Amendment:
But that is what reversed Roe.Wade
& This is what allowed same sex marriage & This is what was used to get Executive Orders and Laws for the advancement of transgenderism.
Thank you 💯for showing how The RepubliKKKans and the Demoncrats are once again intentionally misinterpreting and using the Christian Religion for Evil.
Not sure how you got that "America did not abide by the aforementioned First Amendment," led to same sex marriage. The landmark case centered around an elderly lesbian couple who had married in Canada (but lived in NY), then one died, leaving her estate to the other. The survivor was then going to be taxed for the estate-- not being a legal spouse-- so SCOTUS ruled against it, since DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) had recently been struck down in Congress. Religion played no part in any of that.
There is no such thing as trans. Humans cannot change sex. Maximal special social and legal accomodation for pervs, predators, criminals and the mentally ill isn't 'kind' or 'respectful', it is dangerous.
Helen had better resign from her position at SEX MATTERS, because she obviously BELIEVES that GENDER MATTERS more. FFS. She sold out.
I'm not a religious person, but religion has community belonging component. This lot are mental and narcissistic in the best case and just perverts Psychos in the worse. They only use the mafia alphabet group to lobby... they are the most selfish shit on earth.
I would have to see what Joyce wrote or said in the full context of what she said or wrote. All she has ever said is that she supports women's and LGBs sex-based rights and that includes keeping men out of women's single-sex spaces and protecting all other rights that flow from organizing our society based on sex not the invented, incoherent 'gender identity.' And though 'transgender identity' is akin to a 'faith-based' belief it is imo a psychological problem that society should not validate or accept for any purposes. Helen Joyce is with the org. Sex-Matters.org
What special accommodations do these people need? Trans isn’t a disability, it’s a porn-soaked, misogynistic, anti-social subculture. Stop treating these glorified fetishists like anything they have to say is reasonable or respectable.
💯 You're absolutely right. "Trans isn't a disability!"
What pisses me off hard are the females that support these Luciferin transformers.
Both sides of transformers are Anti-Women and anti-Human.
I agree with your comment 👍🏾
"Maximal accomodation" means men that claim to be women can have sex with infants without any punishment. That is the end goal, that these men can do whatever they like to women and children without consequences. Joyce knows that process has started, with men that claim to be women now allowed to watch women and girls change in certain places, and to expose themselves in front of them. Really sick of these people who are supposedly standing up for women and children standing up for twisted, fetish addled, misogynistic men. You aren't doing the former if you are doing the latter.
100% correct
Bingo.
Absolute truth. They want to hurt women and children and get away with it. That is their end goal.
This is such a bad take by Helen Joyce, I find it very alarming. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, thinking, perhaps she doesn’t know that in the US religion is afforded special protections. But British law Equality Act 2010, recognizes protected beliefs. So either way she knows that treating gender ideology as religion means it would be validated by the state as a belief worthy of respect and accommodation. That’s unacceptable.
In reality, all that society owes to people with insane beliefs about material reality is freedom of speech. That’s it.
That's deep
Religion is delusion too
Thank you. A rose by any other name is still a rose.
Yeah I think that’s Helen Joyce’s point. I don’t think she’s paying any respect to the ideology by calling it a religion, she’s drawing attention to the fact that the ideology is based on magical thinking, and that these delusions have been systemised in order to proliferate, like religions do.
I recognized the playbook from the way they forced Christianity 1500+ years ago. Men's tricks really don't change much
What a great insight, Karen: reframing transgenderism as a belief distances it from material reality of daily life and makes it seem less significant. Absolutely.
Why is the toddler rapist still alive ❓ and that male piece of parasitic shit is in the Women's Prison ‼️
Helen Joyce is an old fag-hag that's out of her/it's mind👿👿
Her son is gay but that's not a response to your comment necessarily. I'm just sharing that fact.
But it does makes a connection to her behavior
Where is this original post from, is it from a book or something, is it old? Just cause anything Ive seen her saying recently really doesn't sound like this at all. As far as I know she was originally more accommodating a few years ago but anything Ive seen recently its the opposite, she refuses to use pronouns now from what Ive seen her say.
It’s from a podcast interview released a few days ago, The Good Fight with Yascha Mount.
Helen sounds like she’s been spending too much time with Helen Pluckrose and podcast bros, they love to opine about “liberalism” which to them means deviant men have the liberty to do whatever they want.
Yeah am listening to it now.
Yeah I'm listening and just got to the bit the videio is about and it's really out of context, you really need to listen to a lot more of the conversation before and after that part cause it really doesn't seem to mean what you think it means.
You really need to hear the whole conversation around this for context, mostly in the last half hour of the podcast but this very tiny section out of a much bigger conversation is missing a lot!
this is what I suspected. thanks for checking it out. you can think of genderism as a religion in a certain context, that being as a delusional belief system that requires adherence and belief. yes?
Bingo!! Pretty much!
No, it's not a religion. It's a corporate and political agenda, that's part of a much wider and larger corporate and political agenda, that uses a false, threat-containing narrative and made-up words to terrorize everyone and take over society without an actual war of traditional weapons. It's psychological warfare. The simple narrative says "Comply or be accused of murder which amounts to your life being destroyed." And then when that threat doesn't work on someone, the "problem" individual is libeled and defamed and threatened with further threats. Everyone sees what happens to those people, and it serves to further enforce their silence / compliance.
Yes, I'd like dates, and for Scarella. They seem to have changed their tunes. Joyce calls it lies now
Um Helen can you say CULT?!
https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1791556575594779068
Here's Helen Joyce arguing with herself about be nice argument she held last year when she went off on women who were "policing language". She is very well aware of the reality, but chooses to be an asshole for pay when needed. @karen listen to this.
Arguing with herself? Shes doing an interview?
You do understand that peoples views change over time don't you? There are a lot of people now finally realising what's been going on who were previously supportive of "trans ideology" who have done a complete 180.
Everybodys path to realising things is different. Are you just gonna penalise everybody who didn't agree with you 1, 2, 3+ years ago? We all had to get here somehow!
Helen Joyce wrote a book titled, "When Trans Ideology Meets Reality," that was published in 2021.
Even if you haven't read the book, the title alone would suggest that the author doesn't see any daylight between this ideology and reality.
Which would beg the question, Why the backpeddling now?
I have read the book. Where is the backpedaling?
Have you read it? Did you watch the video where she is supposedly "backpedaling"? Cause there is no backpedaling!
There are women who didn't come to this now or last year or 3 years ago but 10, 15, 30 years ago. Do you know when Janice Raymond wrote the book The Transsexual empire? It was in 1979.
All you're ranting over here at me is that you don't know the facts about this fight. Also you are somehow butthurt by my comments about Helen not you.
I can and will comment on anything and will laugh to your face if you try to patronize me and start correctting my way of thinking.
Here's me laughing at your parenting in comments: hahahahaha! Dumbass, I am not your friend or even in your social circles. Gtfo!
lmao you gtfo you sounds like a right fkn psycho, get yourself some help nutjob! Fucking clown GFY!! lmao blithering idiot!
If I could debate Helen Joyce, I would say, "You said, "Thinking about it as a religion is the best way to think about it." And I totally agree.
Then I would ask her what religion on Earth is Not an ideaology. And why do Western democracies not recognize religious ideologies as being able to have legislative power? Because they are Democracies, not Theocracies.
The U.S. Constitution makes it very clear, in the First Amendment, that the Congress shall make no law respecting the establishement of religion. And what is any given religion, except an ideaology? And what is "transgenderism" but an idealogy?
Maybe it's because she's European that she just doesn't get it. But then, I don't buy it.
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion." 👈🏾
America did not abide by the aforementioned First Amendment:
But that is what reversed Roe.Wade
& This is what allowed same sex marriage & This is what was used to get Executive Orders and Laws for the advancement of transgenderism.
Thank you 💯for showing how The RepubliKKKans and the Demoncrats are once again intentionally misinterpreting and using the Christian Religion for Evil.
Thank you for sharing this information
Not sure how you got that "America did not abide by the aforementioned First Amendment," led to same sex marriage. The landmark case centered around an elderly lesbian couple who had married in Canada (but lived in NY), then one died, leaving her estate to the other. The survivor was then going to be taxed for the estate-- not being a legal spouse-- so SCOTUS ruled against it, since DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) had recently been struck down in Congress. Religion played no part in any of that.
I want to make a joke: the still have a king and the rest of us killed our oppressors.
*they
What? Rape is a sacred right? Maybe so
I beg your pardon ❓
Please explain your statement
There is no such thing as trans. Humans cannot change sex. Maximal special social and legal accomodation for pervs, predators, criminals and the mentally ill isn't 'kind' or 'respectful', it is dangerous.
Helen had better resign from her position at SEX MATTERS, because she obviously BELIEVES that GENDER MATTERS more. FFS. She sold out.
I'm not a religious person, but religion has community belonging component. This lot are mental and narcissistic in the best case and just perverts Psychos in the worse. They only use the mafia alphabet group to lobby... they are the most selfish shit on earth.
💔
I would have to see what Joyce wrote or said in the full context of what she said or wrote. All she has ever said is that she supports women's and LGBs sex-based rights and that includes keeping men out of women's single-sex spaces and protecting all other rights that flow from organizing our society based on sex not the invented, incoherent 'gender identity.' And though 'transgender identity' is akin to a 'faith-based' belief it is imo a psychological problem that society should not validate or accept for any purposes. Helen Joyce is with the org. Sex-Matters.org
Well, in a way it’s like Islam - you must believe or else…